This is the English version of amazing interview that was originally published in zine Der Bewährungshelfer #16 in April 2009.
1. What means the name Kill Baby Kill? Why this name?
It means absolutely nothing! When I first started this band we needed, like any other band obviously, a name. This was harder to find than I thought, because all the obvious names were already taken. Every idea that came up was already taken by some band after a little research on the net. Then I found some list of B movies somewhere and selected a few, which I proposed to the other guys who were in the band at that time, and some friends. Kill Baby Kill was the stupidest name on the list so after a good laugh I decided this was going to be the name! Of course after a little while I discovered some other band with the same name, but fuck it, too late to change.
2. Who is playing in the band (today) and what are the aims of the band?
Let me start first with a little “secret”. KBK are actually 2 bands. I’m making the songs in my home studio and make some kind of demo-version using a drumcomputer. This demo I bring to the studio and a drummer ‘Jens’ plays in the drums following these demo’s. Then I’m recording bass, guitars and vocals, and at the end Spandex plays the solo’s. Due to other commitments neither Jens or Spandex have the possibilities to play live so I had to find other musicians for the live gigs. Some came and some went, but for the last 2 years we’ve had the same ‘live-line up'. There’s me doing the bass and vocals, Sven aka fatboy on drums. We’re both from Brugge in Belgium. We use two guitarplayers at the live gigs: Nudel from Germany, and Rob from England. So you could say we’re an international band. As I’m the only one making the songs it’s possible for us not to practise (which is virtually impossible due to the distance). Everyone just practises his part listening to a CD.
There is no aim, just to have fun, play many gigs, meet people all over the world. There is absolutely no political ideology behind the band, even though some of the lyrics might have political statements in it. I know we are often labelled as a political band but I’ve got to say this never was and never will be the aim. We play the music because we like to play music, that’s all.
3. What give you the strength to go the way you choose?
I’ve been a very angry guy for a long time. This really reflects in the lyrics. For most of my life I’ve been kicking against all kind of authority. Teachers in school, the boys in blue, religion, … basically every power that tells other people what they should and shouldn’t do. Unfortunatly living in a “scene” isn’t much different. Still there’s people telling others what they should or shouldn’t do. What music they should listen to, what views to have.. bah! Unregarding political background. Both leftwing and rightwing do this.
4. Skinhead is ……..?
Live your life the way you want it, having fun, going to gigs,…
Being proud of what you achieve in life. We are all on a journey to where ever it may take us due to different decisions we make. Being a skinhead is being there for your friends and family. To help each other when needed. It’s about being aware of what goes on in the world and not to follow like sheep to the slaughter, like many people live their lives. Being proud to make a stand for what you believe in. To follow your own heart. But of course it’s also a subculture with its own fashion. Otherwise we wouldn’t all wear the same clothing brands would we? Like other subcultures music binds us.
A friend of mine from Martens Army had a good statement that says it all ‘PROUD to be PROUD’!
5. What do you think about political correctness, and what political opinion "must" a Skin have?
As I answered in another question, I hate people telling me what to do. How can you call yourself a rebel against a system but at the same time create a system with its own rules yourself? This doesn’t seem logic to me. Political correctness is everywhere, both in left and rightwing scene. People should have their believes, and it’s ok to spread your believes, I have nothing against that. But when you start to tell people what they should and shouldn’t do, what they should and shouldn’t think… wow, that’s a bridge too far! Everyone has the right for their own opinion, whether I agree with it or not. But everyone that tries to force their opinion can go to hell.
6. You play in a band, but what kind of music do you like private (and what are the reasons)?
Well I’ve got a very wide taste of music. I can listen to all sorts of music except for hip hop, R'n'B and rap. It’s quite funny that I recently started listening again to the bands I’ve listened to when I was a young kid. Bands like Guns'n'Roses, Skid Row, Motley Crüe, AC/DC, Motörhead,…! I like a lot of the old punk bands and even some blues once in a while. I like the passion in it. For me a good song is a perfect mix of smart lyrics and powerfull guitarriffs. I also love guitarsolo’s like the ones in Iron Maiden or Manowar songs.
I enjoy listening to music when I drive in my car. I travel very often and what I do is fill a big box to take in my car and then I just put on what I grab. At home I’m mostly busy writing new music so I don’t really listen to much music there…
7. Give back the Oi! to…… and why? Who took it away?
It’s a slogan against political correct bands. They try to take away the real spirit of Oi! music and sell it to a mixed audience. They turn some words into a fashion instead of a statement. Anything to increase record sales right... Oi! music never has been mainstream music and I’m thankful to that. It’s what distinguishes us from the normal crowd. Its something different and it shouldn’t become a light version of what it used to be. Oi! is straight to the point. Powerful music with lyrics straight from the heart. But often with a good sense of humor included offcourse! ;-)
8. What is the different between Punk and Skin? (When we travel to Belgium we can not see a different and that is GREAT !!!)
There are many types of punks as there are many types of skins! Some punks and some skins come very close together, they just dress differently. For the rest they have the same ideas, love to drink, go to the same shows, listen to the same music.. I’m talking about real punks of course. Crusties I shouldn’t even call punks. They are in in nearly every possible way opposites from skinheads. Actually the most punks you see in Belgium at the gigs are Germans, haha!
They are like us, they only have a different fashion. I can’t understand why there’s people that don’t like punks coming to our gigs. These guys deserve respect. They get shit from the leftwing because they make a stand against the reds, but still they don’t kneel or change. It would be so much easier for them to shave their head but still they stick to what they are. That inquires a strong mind and a strong will. Respect!
9. The first LP you ever have bought - first Punk and/or Skinhead LP you have bought?
Well I grew up when the CD was just conquering the world. I have never been a vinyl freak actually. I think the first CD I ever bought was Appetite For Destruction, the best G'n'R album ever! The first punk CD I ever bought was Never Mind The Bullocks from The Pistols, or Chaos In Belgium from Funeral Dress. Or was it Michael Jackson? I’m not sure…
10. You became a Skinhead because of….
I started my "teenage rebellion" at the age of 12. I had a friend who was a 17 year old punk girl. Through her I got to know bands like Blitz, Cock Sparrer, The Oppressed, Chaos UK, Dead Kennedies, Slime, Crass, Special Duties,... a lot! I think I still have one of the tapes she gave me back then. Also through her I got to know the Antwerp AFA punks, and I hung out with them before I ran away from home and lived in a squat in Holland. Yes I lived in a squat as a little runaway.
There I discovered that doing nothing all day ( I looked for work) and that political correctness was not my thing so we had our own group of people who thought a little the same. We distanced ourselves from the leftwing politics which are present in those squats. Slowly some of us, including me started to change our style more into skinhead style. Then shaving the head was just a step away. I’m actually the only one from back then that continued being a skinhead until this day. I first got in touch with rightwing skinheads at age 19 when I met them in a bar in Rotterdam. As I was just stabbed in the neck by an Arabic guy and nearly died I was full of hatred and anger and I agreed on becoming the new bassplayer of their band 'Landstorm’. At that time I had already moved back to Belgium and got to know more and more people there, until 7 years ago ( I’m now 28) I moved to Brugge, the city I was actually born in. I became the guitarplayer in Les Vilains, and then started travelling doing some live gigs with Steelcapped Strength before I started with KBK.
11. You stay as a Skinhead because…..
Because I look stupid with long hair, hahahaha!
12. You play in a famous band. Does it bring you advantage in the scene to be a well known member?
Ofcourse it’s really nice to get aknowledgment for my ‘’baby’’, my creation. It feels really great to see people enjoy what you do, and I would lie if I would say I don’t like to get compliments. It’s also a rush to see people having fun on our music when we play the live gigs, sometimes shouting the songs louder than I can sing! The connection with the crowd is a great feeling. That’s why we enjoy the smaller gigs much more than the bigger ones.
Some advantages with the band is that with the money made of merchandise I was able to buy an entire backline: good guitaramplifiers, bassamplifier, even a PA system. As many readers know we’ve got the famous Kastelein (now Moloko) pub in our city. So we put all the equipment there so the concerts there have a much better sound. Also all the bands in our town (Les Vilains, The Pride, Headcase, Molokids) can use the amplifiers for practise! When people want to form a new band now it will be easier for them because they won’t have to pay for practise room or equipment, which is often a barriere for young kids to start a band. Next project is a studio so we all can record our own stuff!
A definite plus with the band is that we get to travel a lot and meet people all over the world. It’s much easier to maintain friendships and contacts when you’re able to travel a lot. Also we met some really nice people on our travels and saw beautiful countries!
Last but not least I have to dissapoint you with saying that there’s no groupies.. hahaha!
13. Is it easy for you, to visit Oi!-gigs, when the antifa stood at the entrance, to look for "well known“ "Neo-Nazis“?
Pffff, Punk And Disorderly.. the perfect example of what ‘Give Back The Oi!’ stands for…
I was there and I noticed that it really wasn’t my kind of world… I haven’t noticed AFA standing at the door actually. I just know that some retarded people were looking for ‘nazis’ to throw out. Except for 1 punk they haven’t thrown out anyone I think..
Funny thing, when we left the gig, I met the crossdressing singer of The Pestpocken ‘Danny’. Wasn’t really hard to spot him as he wears make up and high heels. He recognised me as well and when he crossed the street he threw a snowball at me.. haha! I must say that really did hurt my feelings and until this day I’m still not over it!
14. What Oi!-band / RAC-band / Punk-band would you like to see (and why) or to play with (and why)?
I would love to see The Macc Lads, because I love their sense of humour, but unfortunately they don’t play anymore. Another band I would like to see is Stiff Little Fingers and if all goes well I will go and watch them somewhere this year! They are brilliant musicians! The bands I wanted to play with we’ve already played with, so that’s already good! I can say that in the near future me and a friend will start organising gigs in Belgium ourselves.
15. What do you know about "the good old times(the 80ties)“ and what is the difference between today and than?
I was born in 1980 so while you guys were going to gigs I learned how to walk, talk and not to shit in my pants!
I really don’t know much about the 80ies so I can’t really say a lot about it.
16. Do you like zines or do you think the www has got enough informations? What is the difference, where is the advantage?
I really like magazines a lot and I used to collect them. Police took hold of them as I had a house search though…
The magazine versus the www is like the CD with artwork or LP stands against the downloaded song. It’s something original, collectable. Just like in my CD collection I don’t have copied stuff, I really like to have the magazine. Allthough it can work together.. For example a paper edition for the collection, and a www edition, posted some months later to reach more people.
The web has some advantages, it’s easier to keep in contact with people all over the world. Skinheadgigs are becoming bigger now because a lot more people know about what gig is going on. Unfortunately so do the opponents from certain gigs. So far for the positive things on the net.
I do absolutely HATE forums where people can anonymously post bullshit on other people, make threats, its like kindergarten! The internetwarrior was born!
Then another thing I dislike is all the downloading. At one hand it’s cool that more people listen to the music, but downloading kills small bands. There already isn’t a lot of money in Oi! music, and making everything for free only makes it worse. We don’t drive fancy cars and live in big villa’s because we sell our CD’s.. But for us it’s a way to afford instruments and equipment. To grow as a band, to make the productions better… and to help out other bands.
17. When we talk about the net, who do you think writes there about your "drug-problem“ and why?
I don’t know who are the people that love to write. It’s quite funny actually.. they are the same kind of people that call us rockstars, because we play in a band and aren’t political enough for them. But at the same time they act like papparazi and write about us every time we even fart. They write about what we were in the past, who we are friends with, what concerts we visit, who we drink beer with, what weeat (yes I eat ethnic food sometimes!) where we train sports.. every possible thing you can imagine gets on the net. I’m not just talking about myself, but about so many members from other bands that have been slandered, talked about for many different reasons. I really don’t know what these people have to prove. I never said I’m perfect, I never wanted or claimed to be an ‘’example for any cause” a messiah, whatever… I’m a normal guy with normal problems like everyone else. I just write songs about it. Of course the fact that I did use coke on a few occasions is very spicy ammunition for these vultures. I don’t need to justify my actions towards these people anyway. They’ve got no right to judge me. The only people who can judge me is the friends or family that I caused pain when I was going through rough times. I apologise to them and thank them for standing by my side when I needed them. They have shown true character!
18. What is the truth about that (just only some short word).
I’ve been going to some serious personal problems the last year, and under influence of doctor subscribed medicines I didn’t care about anything anymore. I started to drink a lot and hung out with different people who did drugs in the weekends. It happened a couple of times when I got really drunk that I got offered and accepted some coke to get sober again. Thinking back it’s just really stupid because that stuff is really bad for mind and body and an easier solution would have been not to drink that much! But I guess I was too fucked up in my head to realise it. After some good talks with some true friends I opened my eyes and saw I was busy destroying my own life completely. I went to seek for professional help and I ended with all the sleeping pills, calming pills, anti depressives etc that were turning me into an emotionless zombie. It wasn’t easy because I found out I was really addicted to it, but I’ve succeeded and managed to stay of that stuff. Now I found a new drug: Sports!
19. What do you think about people, who just read something and "spread the message around the world“ without asking the concerned people?
I’m open about what happened and I’m man enough to take responsibility for my actions and mistakes. Everyone that contacted me about this issue I’ve answered openly. Of course there’s always some people who don’t take the time to find out what really is going on, but just talk, talk and talk. Thing is, information is power… Some people think they become more important when they can give more, bigger, spicier information about other people. They live and the breath gossip. Asking the concerned people would possible make the story less interesting, so why bother? No let’s first throw around the shit and then hope that some will stick like it always does.
Anyway, people make mistakes in their lives. No one is safe from that. Hanging out someones dirty laundry in the world is quite sad anyway.. when someone has whatever kind of trouble it’s up to that person to decide how much he wants to share with the outside world, and not to people who just love to talk because it makes them lose focus from their own shit. Anyway, I’ve already spent waaaay too many words on this subject.
All by all, we are a band, we are not political examples, don’t want to be somebody’s hero! (haha I took that from SLF) we make music. Love it, or don’t listen to it! There’s nothing more to say about that.
20. Drugs are…..
Totally unnecessary for me. I don’t need them.
There’s many different sorts of drugs, mind altering substances. Alcohol is a drug too, we shouldn’t be hypocrite about that. Why else do we drink, to get in a different state of mind , right? Or what about all the calming pills, sleeping pills, anti depressives.. those are far more dangerous than the odd line of coke, and I am speaking of experience. They call these drugs legal, but they can turn people into emotionless, heartless egocentric selfish bastards like I was on them. There’s a big difference between drug users and drug addicts. I know some people who do drugs during the weekends but have a good job and family life. Then I also know people who don’t do drugs, just drink, but fuck up on every other thing in life.
The problem lays in how these things are being used. Including alcohol! I’m not judging people that decide to use something, they are old enough to make their own decisions in their life, but people who are addicted to any kind of drugs whether it’s doctor subscribed, or heroine, alcohol,… should get professional help to get rid of their addiction. Life is much more than looking for a rush!!!!!!!!!
21. Family is….
The most important in life, or at least it should be! Family is there in times of need, family is always there nevertheless how much you fucked up. I really love my family and I’ll always be thankful for everything they did for me and still do! I hope that one day I will start a family of my own.
22. Is the band, the movement a kind of family?
Not really, although some band members became really close friends, and some close friends became like family. I’ve realised this in the hardest times. The movement? Absolutely not. The movement is too much about appearance unfortunately… in a movement it’s too important what the outside world sees of it.
23. As I have heared, you will have next time a German song! Tell us about how this can happen and why? Who write this song and where do you med that guy first? (Ha ha, now we will see who can better remember!!!)
Actually there will be at least 2 german songs! They are written by you and I’ve got no idea where we met first! I did find an old picture of us in a hostel in Brugge years ago!
Wasn’t this the first time we met? My memory is like a Swiss cheese, hahaha
I’m looking forward to recording the songs, let’s hear how my accent sounds like in German!
24. If you see Europe, what is the difference between the countries? Where do you like to live, and why?
Most European countries are quite the same I think. We’ve got more or less the same kind of governments, economical crisis, etc.. The last couple of years I noticed that the laws are getting stricter on us. The more they spread the message that we should live in a free world, the more laws they impose to us. The more they talk about freedom of speech, the more they gag our mouths with political correct tape. It’s a controversy. I heard the split CD with ER has been indiziert in Germany, while I’ve been charged in Belgium too with racism charges because of Kill Baby Kill. It doesn’t look like things will improve soon…
25. Can’t they see we only want to have some fun?
I’ll stay in Belgium though, at least for the first time…
26. Germany is…..
Big! It’s a beautiful country with a lot of nice places I love to visit. Recently I’ve been in the old part of Dresden and I couldn’t believe my eyes how beautiful it is. Also all the castles everywhere are something special! I’m visiting Bremen next week to have a few drinks and I’m looking forward to see the city as I’ve heard it’s really worth visiting.
27. German beer is….
Come on, you’re asking the wrong guy, I’m from Belgium.. THE beer country in the world!
28. German Skins are….
All Nazis? Haha
Serious now… I wanted to move to Germany for a few months to learn the language, but my lawyer strongly advised not to, because the prosecutor would use that in court against me, because german skins = nazis! Hahaha
I really like a lot of the skins in Germany, they really keep the true skinhead spirit alive. And they are good drinkers!
29. Der Bewährungshelfer is….. (my zine, and 18 years old)
It’s in German obviously, but I do take my time to translate the road trips and concert reviews as they’re often funny to read! It’s not just the concert, and what bands, but reading it also gives you an impression of the atmosphere!
30. If we talk about Skins, where is the difference between all the kind of "we are the original Skins“? What about Hammer-Oi!-Sharp-Red-and what ever-Skin?
Everyone should do what they think is best and follow their own heart. If people want to be part of an organisation then that is their choice and I respect it. It’s just nothing for me. My band is my organisation.
31. What do you think about the "Spirit of 69“?
I like Short Cropped’s view on the spirit of 69! Hahahaha
32. If we talk about Skins, which German Bands you know and which one is the best?
There’s too many bands to mention..
Der Clou of Endstufe is probably my favourite German skinhead CD. Other bands I like are old Onkelz, Störkraft, Freikorps, Barking Dogs, Faustrecht,… well, mostly fuck-PC Oi! music.
33. Here the possibillity to ask me some thing...
How tall are you exactly? ;-)
Greetings and best wishes!
Dieter, 11 april 2009
Source: Boots and Braces web zine